Christianity Today just published the results of an in-depth investigation (authored by Ted Olsen & Ken Smith)into the teachings of Korean Pastor David Jang Jae-Hyung and his diverse global affiliates. David Jang’s original base of operations was S. Korea, yet his ministries & missions have become increasingly active in Asia, N. America & elsewhere. Given the growing global reach of his organizations, David Jang’s teachings should be of interest to evangelical churches in Toronto, across Canada & around the globe.
Christianity Today (CT) documents evidence substantiating claims that David Jang’s group encouraged the heretical belief that he--David Jang Jae-Hyung is the ‘Second Coming Christ.’ This makes Jang another “False Christ,” concerning whom Jesus warned, “false Christs and false prophets will arise …to lead astray, if possible, even the elect” (Matt. 24:24; Mark 13:22). This is a serious allegation, but CT has clearly done its ‘homework.’ They haven’t ‘rushed to judgment’; their investigation has taken 5 years. It is also significant that prior this story’s publication, Ken Smith and CT received threats of lawsuits by people associated with Jang.The following are selections from CT’s extensive report.—Nigel Tomes
The Second Coming Christ Controversy
Ted Olsen & Ken Smith, Christianity Today, 16, Aug., 2012
Korean Pastor David Jang Jae-Hyung has become an increasingly influential figure in Asian and now US evangelicalism. He and his followers have founded media outlets and a Christian college and are key influencers in the World Evangelical Alliance (WEA). But many say his group has encouraged the belief that he’s the ‘Second Coming Christ.’ Is there any truth to the allegations?
… Korean pastor David Jang Jae-Hyung is a controversial figure who, according to credible reports, has been hailed by some of his followers as the "Second Coming Christ."
Over the last 5 years, ministries and organizations founded by or connected to Jang have gained influence in US and global evangelical ministries, including the World Evangelical Alliance. Yet in the same period, a number of mainstream Christian organizations in Korea and China have severed relationships with his affiliated organizations after investigating such claims and finding them credible. Other groups have reconfirmed their ties after their investigations cleared him. As Jang's businesses and ministries expanded in the US, Christian leaders and ministries are asking similar questions about Jang & his theology.
The 'Second Coming Christ'
The details of Jang's early life are in question...
Critics in Korea, Japan, and China say he was involved in Sun Myung Moon's Unification Church [known as “the Moonies”]. They point to his appearance in a 1989 student handbook for Moon's Sung Hwa Theological Seminary as an assistant prof. of theology, teaching systematic theology and Unification theology. They also cite a 2002 history of Sun Moon University praising Jang for helping to fund the school…
Sun Myung Moon & his Unification Church--Heretical
Moon’s Unification Church in Korea was labeled heretical by Protestant churches in S. Korea, including Moon’s own Presbyterian Church. In the US the church was rejected by ecumenical organizations as non-Christian. The main objections against it were theological, especially because of the Unification Church’s additions to the Bible and for its rejection of a literal Second Coming of Jesus. Commentators criticize Unification Church teachings as contrary to the doctrine of salvation by faith alone.
In 1982, Sun Myung Moon was convicted by the U.S. government for willfully filing false federal income tax returns and conspiracy. His conviction was upheld on appeal. Moon was given an 18-month jail sentence and a $15,000 fine. ]
News N Joy, a Korean Christian website, reported in 2004 that it had 4 conversations with Jang about his career in the Unification Church... In the interview, Jang said the description in the Sun Moon University history book was inaccurate, but acknowledged that he had worked for the school until 1995 (he didn’t officially resign ‘til 1998). "He explained that the reason he was involved in Sun Moon University was to teach orthodox theology to Unification Church members," the site reported. "In addition, he added that he led a lot of deluded people to the way of truth."
Both sides agree that Jang has long had more orthodox ties. According to a résumé Jang submitted to the Christian Council of Korea (CCK), he received his M.Div. from Hanshin University in 1990 and a Ph.D. from Dankook University in 1992. That same year, he was ordained as a Korean Presbyterian minister, and by 1999 he was moderator of the Hang Dong Presbytery.
1992 Jang told he was the “Second Coming Christ”
But according to several sources with experience in Jang-associated organizations and communities, many members of the movement believed that the key event …is not in his résumé —nor, indeed, in any written source. It was believed, these sources said, that in or around 1992, an early female follower, Borah Lin told Jang that she believed he was the "Second Coming Christ"—not Jesus Christ himself, but rather a new messianic figure that would complete Jesus' earthly mission. According to several former members, Ms Borah Lin became an important figure in Jang's closest circles.
Documents from teaching sessions indicate that Jang and his followers look to Oct. 30, 1992— Jang's 43rd birthday —as the precise date of the start of their own movement. Beyond that, affiliated groups including Apostolos Campus Ministries and Olivet Univ. look to 1992 as the year of their founding.
The years that followed were busy, as Jang recruited followers and commissioned missionaries to work on college campuses throughout Asia. The first missionaries to China arrived in 1996 and formed the core of the Young Disciples of Jesus. The Christian Post and Christian Today have dated their founding to 2000 (recently changed to 2004). The Gospel Herald and the US Evangelical Assembly of Presbyterian Churches (EAPC) launched in 2004, and the International Business Times in 2006. By 2002, Jang had recruited adherents in key cities throughout China, Japan, and Korea, and had begun expanding into the US….
"Target Top Universities"
In a May 2008 interview with Christianity Today, Jang-affiliated Olivet University president William Wagner said David Jang Jae-Hyung worked with college students to "target top universities"—especially those in the Univ. of California system—to build the student body at Olivet through transfers. Wagner said Apostolos Campus Ministries (renamed Apostolos Missions) at the time had 30,000+ students in 120 countries. That number didn't include another 10,000 students in China, where the organization is known as Young Disciples of Jesus.
40 “History Lessons”
Jang’s campus ministries approach students who seemed to be interested in Bible studies and encourage them to take a course of 40 private "history lessons." Former members say that it’s generally believed these lessons originated with Jang himself.
"These messages," a former student said he was told about a decade ago, "are so precious that we can't give them out to just anyone, even other Christians." The lessons were only given by senior members of the community, former members said, and sometimes the final key lessons would be given by Borah Lin herself.
Goal—Confess Jang is the "2nd Coming Christ”
The lessons’ precise goal is in dispute. Several former members of the Jang-affiliated groups told CT the lessons seemed to be designed to lead new members to a confession that Jang was the "Second Coming Christ," though such a goal was never stated outright by the instructors.
"There were many obvious implied hints for getting people to confess," said a former member of the movement in China. "As one brother said, 'As long as you're not a fool, you can use logic to hint and imply.' But no one said directly in the sermons that 'Pastor David Jang is the Returning Lord.' Usually, even in private, this will not be mentioned. It seems to be top secret."
Former member Ma Li, who says she began the lessons in China in 2002, said that when she finished, her instructor looked at her and another new member very seriously and asked, "Have you understood? All the content?" "I answered firmly: 'Yes,'" she said. "Then she asked me separately: 'Who is Pastor David?' I answered without thinking, just followed what I heard just now and answered: 'The Second Coming Christ!' She said, 'Shhh,' calmly, and then, 'Don't tell others.'"
A former member of the U.S. branch of the movement described a similar experience:
When [my teacher] asked me, "Who do you think Pastor David is?" I was very shocked, and didn't know how to respond. At the time, I shed tears, because I didn't believe what I was hearing. I was so shocked. But then a thought crossed my mind, and I asked, "Is he the Second Coming Christ?" Because I wanted to test to see how they responded to that. But [his] response was even more surprising. "You've made a confession now." So I decided to play along with it for a while. But then he went around telling all the other leaders that I had confessed.
A Central Conviction?
While all of the former members interviewed by CT agreed that some people in the movement believe that Jang is the Second Coming Christ, they disagreed on how central this is to the group's religious identity.
One former member from the U.S. said, "It was never explicitly taught that Jang is the Second Coming of Christ or even a key eschatological figure. If that was ever stated, it was stated as a belief by those who believed. [But] the way eschatology was taught, one could easily come to that conclusion."
In fact, the same member did come to that conclusion and acknowledged that for a time, he too believed that Jang was the Second Coming Christ. He believed it, he said, "not because it was taught to me, but because there was at the time, in my mind, a fairly compelling case for the possibility. Now …I believe this not to be true. Though [Jang] is admittedly further along in many areas than other Christian leaders and pastors, I find his flaws to be too significant to ignore."
… Several former members who spoke to CT found it implausible that Jang had no connections to the confessions that he was the Second Coming Christ. One said that for several years around 2002 or 2003, it was the tradition for those who had just made the "confession" to write it out and send it to Jang.
One former leader from China said that only the most senior and trusted leaders were allowed to give the eschatology lessons, and that Jang specifically denied ever teaching it. "During a fierce debate, Pastor David Jang stood up and said that he had never taught that he is 'the Returning Lord.' The problem was that students did not know whether he had taught it or not. But it was a truth within the community. This teaching had been long preached. It was even a condition for joining the group."
A former member from Shanghai said that Jang indirectly encouraged the teaching in a sermon less than a decade ago by claiming that his relationship with Jesus was the same as the relationship between John the Baptist and Elijah, and that he would finish the work that Jesus left incomplete.
Japanese Critic-- Makoto Yamaya
… Makoto Yamaya, a Salvation Army official in Tokyo, has been writing critically about Jang and his organizations on his blog since 2006. Shortly after Yamaya began blogging, he told CT, he was contacted by a couple whose son, Munenori Kitamura, had gone missing. They had tried to get him to leave Jang's EAPC and the Jang-owned companies he worked for, but he apparently had abandoned the apartment they had set up for him, leaving behind several months' unpaid rent. Kitamura also left behind documents about the EAPC and several pages of "Bible Lecture Notes."
…Kitamura seemed to acknowledge that the notes were his, but explained, "While I am listening to messages, I am used to write down some counter-heretical remarks as a comparison to the general teachings, it is a very good opportunity for me to learn about the falsities and contradictions in heretical doctrines."
Meanwhile, Ma Li kept notes she says she took during her lessons in China and turned them over to a group of Chinese critics of the movement.
The two independent sets of notes correspond extensively, and several former members from the US and China have independently confirmed that many of the movement's members were in fact exposed to the teaching that the notes contain. But one former member …said that it "doesn’t accurately reflect what the large majority believe." It only represents one strand of the community, he said.
Similar to Sun Myung Moon’s Teachings--
Jesus’ Work Unfinished; Need Another ‘Christ’!
The basic content of these messages…bears similarities to the teachings of Sun Myung Moon— that Jesus' work was left unfinished and in need of another "Christ" to complete it. Daniel 12 records a notoriously ambiguous prophecy that refers to 1,260 days ("a time, times and half a time"), "1,290 days," and then finally to "1,335 days." The 1,260 days, the notes say, finished when Jesus was born, and the 1,290 days were completed when Jesus began to preach and teach publicly at 30 years of age (1,260 + 30 = 1,290). His 3-year public ministry, they say, advanced the prophecy of 1,290 days to 1,293 days, but because the Cross cut his mission short, Jesus did not fulfill the prophecy of the 1,335 days. There is thus a remaining gap of some 42 "days," which were said to symbolize 42 years. Multiple sources said that this 42-year gap was believed to have been fulfilled by Jang.
Jang’s 144,000 are ‘3rd Israel”
The lessons also taught a doctrine of "three Israels." The first was a national Israel, the second was composed of Christians, and the third was constituted by the movement Jang had founded. The 144,000 of Revelation 7 was said to refer to this "third Israel," and the Lamb who redeemed them was said to be "not Jesus, but the Christ of the Second Coming."
Closely associated with this idea of Jang's followers as the "third Israel" is a distinction between the "gospel of parables" that Jesus taught and the "eternal gospel" delivered to Jang. One of the lessons said, "Jesus speaks in parables to preach to us, but to the new era, the gospel will be explained more clearly, that is, the everlasting Gospel." This "everlasting Gospel" will be proclaimed by the Second Coming Christ.
A former member from the US said that Lin finished her lessons with similar teachings. Among them: "Isn't the kingdom of God the body of Christ? So if someone were to create this body, if they were to start it, wouldn't it make sense to say that this is the Second Coming? And isn't it right to say that the one who does this is the Second Coming Christ?"
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2012/september/david-jang-second-coming-christ.html
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2012/september/david-jang-second-coming-christ.html
When I read the CT report it raised huge questions. However, The Christian Post has reported on this too and after reading that I have come to question CT's objectivity in all this. Have a read and see what you think.
ReplyDeleteBut some of the sources CT uses are highly biased (especially their writer Ken Smith for their report has even admitted he basically hates these other organizations).
Other CT sources have been outright condemned as cult leaders themselves and have clear agendas in their accusations. After reading both articles I felt inclined to think this is a media grudge battle.
http://www.christianpost.com/news/olivet-university-sources-in-second-coming-christ-controversy-face-scrutiny-80176/
Dear Anonymous, the source which you cite-- The Christian Post--has been identified as an affiliate of Pastor David Jang & his organizations. Therefore it cannot be viewed as an objective observer/ commentator on these issues. It is noticeable that a good number of comments posted in response to the Christianity Today article (posted on Christianity Today's website) seem to be geared towards steering readers to the Jang-affiliated Christian Post website. These responses (comments) also bear a striking resembance to yours. Could it be that there is a conserted effort underway by David Jang's supporters & members of his organizations to counter the information put out by Christianity Today? (Just wondering!)
ReplyDeleteI also must object to your unChristian attacks on the character of Ken Smith, the principal author of the CT piece. Dear Anonymous you state that Ken Smith "admitted he basically hates these other [Jang-affiliated] organizations." You are attacking Ken Smith's person & motives. I have read his Blog- entry (which you appear to be quoting) in context. Ken Smith was testifying to his spiritual transactions with his Lord. He was examining before the Lord whether he might tend to exaggerate his claims due to improper motives. That kind of Christian transaction with the Lord ought to reassure Christian readers that the writer/ author has checked his composition with his Lord prior to publication. Yet (in my view) it is disingenious of the Jang-affilaited Christian Post to quote a small section of Ken Smith's testimony out of context, in order to attack his character,& motives and thus attempt to depreciate his writings.--Nigel Tomes [I could say more, but I will refrain for the present.]
This is a media grudge battle, CT Korea didn't write on this you know why? because they wouldn't want to be affiliated with a known heretic Chae. I didn't know "Ken Smith & Ted Olson" become East Asia expert, I would like to see Korean, Chinese, Japanese theologians add their own opinion to this debate. It also be more affirming if CT Korea editor contributed to this report since they would be more verse in Korean Christianity.
ReplyDeleteI do believe CT article is bias since no documentations were provided by the accusers note, writings even a scan copy since CT reported they have notes since they apparently have them. So by you citing CT only without your own investigation into Ken Smith or Chae I believe you're being bias in this reporting.
Dear Anonymous #2 [I assume you are a different person than Anonymous #1 who commented earlier] You have raised a number of points which I'd like to address in turn:
ReplyDelete[1] You wish to know the attitude of CT Korea & Korean, Chinese & Japanese theologians on the orthodoxy of Pastor David Jang's (Chang)teachings. Various Christian Churches in Korea have addressed this issue. Of particulat relevance is the Presbyterian Churches in Korea (PCK). It is my understanding that a consortium of 6 Presbyterian Churches in Korea have addressed this issue and have published a "Report of Findings of David Jang's Question" Section 7-1-e, which was presented to and resolved at 94th General Assembly of Presbyterian Churches HapShin(大韓イエス教長老会合神)in September 2009. Based on the resolution, PCK HapShin issued statement of caution to David Jang and terminated all the relationship with David Jang's organizations. There is also the International Korean Christian Coalition Against Heresy which issued a report on 2012.04.08. [http://ikccah.org/jjh/1240] [On this issue I am not prepared to accept the judgment of organizations (in Korea or elsewhere)which have links with Pastor David Jang (e.g EAPC, Olivet Univ. Christian Post, etc) since their objectivity is clearly compromised.]
[2] Since Christianity Today (USA) has just now addressed the question of the orthodoxy of Pastor David Jang's (Chang)teachings I expect that objective Christian publications in Asia will also give this issue more attention in the near future. Be assured that the Christianity Today article is the first major English-language Christian publication to address this question. No doubt it will not be the last!
[2]Both you & "Anonymous #1" seek to characterize this as a "media grudge battle." That label assumes that Christianity Today has an ulterior motive in writing their article. However, neither you nor the Jang-affiliate "Christian Post" have established any such motive. In fact Christianity Today has gone to considerable lengths to examine the motivation of their "guest contributor," Ken Smith. They were satisfied as to his objectivity on this issue and the noticeable lack of bias on his part. The fact that Christianity Today & its writers reached conclusions which are critical of Pastor David Jang's teachings & question his orthodoxy does not (automatically) imply that they are biased. They simply have arrived at the conclusion that there is a substantial basis of evidence that adherents of Pstor David Jang subscribe to the view that he is the "second coming Christ,"--a claim which is judged heretical by evangelical orthodox Christians.
[3]You are concerned about seeing the background information & documentation upon which the Christianity Today article was based. Dear Anonymous #2 Why don't you directly address your concerns to Christianity Today? I'm under the impression that some of their sources are available to the public. For e.g. in the "Report of Findings of David Jang's Question" Section 7-1-e, which was presented to and resolved at 94th General Assembly of Presbyterian Churches HapShin(大韓イエス教長老会合神)in September 2009.
[4] You appear to be seeking to label every writer or disseminator of any article which is critical of Pastor David Jang as "biased." I would simply respond that, based upon my reading of Christianity Today over the years and also my own personal contact with some of the writers at Christianity Today, I have considerable confidence in their objectivity & fairness in addressing issues such as this. Based upon that personal experience I'm prepared to disseminate their evaluation of pastor David Jang & his teaching until I receive overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Neither of the "Anonymous" commentators on this piece has met that standard thus far.--Nigel Tomes
Dear Anonymous #2, as a follow up to my previous response. You asked "CT Korea didn't write on this you know why?" I'd like to point out to you that the Korean edition of Christianity Today is currently running a piece on Pastor David Jang's teachings. You also state that "It also be more affirming if CT Korea editor contributed to this report." I don't read Korean, however the CT Korea article on Pastor David Jang is either a report on the Christianity Today article in English or it's a translation of it into Korean. In either case it ought to answer some of your questions.--Nigel Tomes
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ReplyDeleteDear "Maria Elena," Thank you for taking the time to comment. You suggest that Christianity Today's expose of Pastor David Jang is motivated by rivalry &/or jealousy over lost revenue due to the competition from Pastor David Jang's "Christian Post" websites. You are impugning the motives of CT's writers without offering any evidence whatsoever to backup you allegations. You also suggest that this might be a "fabrication of some pro-N Korean / communist people to destroy all the good evangelicals pastors in S Korea." Again you offer no evidence. Until proven both these allegations ought to be dismissed as baseless. The crucial issue (which you fail to address) is-- Did Korean Pastor David Jang and/or his associates lead his followers to believe that he is the "second coming Christ"? Evidence is accumulating that people were encouraged to arrive at that conclusion as the logical outcome of the teachings of David Jang's associates. The latest Internet version of CT gives additional evidence from Pastor David Jang's representatives in Singapore--that "David Jang's emissaries to Singapore ...believed he was a new Christ." That is heretical. The most direct means to resolve this issue is for Korean Pastor David Jang to issue a public statement unequivocally rejecting any and every notion that he is a "second coming Christ." Furthermore Pastor Jang ought to endorse the orthodox Christian belief that Jesus Christ who ascended from the Mount of Olives 2,000 years ago will return physically to this earth-- the same Jesus Christ-- returning in the same manner in which He ascended. The second coming of Jesus Christ is not in the form or appearance of any Korean "Rev. Sun Myung Moon" or "Pastor David Jang" or any other person (of any race, ethnicity or country). If Pastor David Jang cannot or will not issue such a statement-- his orthodoxy ought to be suspect/ questioned, based on the evidence Christianity Today has presented.---Nigel Tomes
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ReplyDeleteI'm surprized by your response to my reply to your initial comment (which has since been removed). You say "i touched something that hurts? I was not expecting such a furious reply." Dear Elena there was nothing "furious" about my reply to you. It seems that you are reading feelings & attitudes into the response which you received. Neither am I "hurt," nor have you "touched something that hurts." All these are your subjective feelings. I don't think they will help you to attain clarity on the issues being addressed.
I consider the question of whether Korean Pastor David Jang and/or his associates have taught (or implied) that he (David Jang) is a "new Christ" or a "second coming Christ" is an important issue, a matter of heresy. Christianity Today has published 2 articles substantiating their claims that this was a common & accepted teaching within David Jang's organizations & their affiliates. The latest evidence comes from Jang's former associates in Singapore. CT says "David Jang's emissaries to Singapore ...believed he was a new Christ." CT present evidence to backup that claim of heresy.
CT also presented evidence that within David Jang's organizations it was commonly taught that it is OK to lie as long as you have a good intention--"the end justifies the means (even lying)" If true this compounds the problem since Jang associates & sympathizers can lie--perhaps saying "he never said that," or "we never believed that" or "we were never taught that" etc while justifying this distinctly unChristian behaviour by "the end justifies the means"
dictum. I hope that this response would assist you. best wishes, Nigel Tomes
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DeleteHello all, i used to be a member of David Jang s organization many years ago. And what i can tell u from my experience is that, he is def way ahead of many other spiritual teachers in regards to his teaching, especially within the christian faith. The depth of the teaching is incredible, and well if some people decide that he is their personal saviour or Christ well than that is their personal choice. However this information has never been told, or imposed on anyone, we all understood the messages in our own way, to the depth that we could, for some it ends their spiritual quest, for some it opens new doors and start perceiving life in a whole new way. His teaching is not about who is the second coming of christ, it is about who are u, who u choose to be in this world. And what he does, def brings a little bit more light into this world(together with other great spiritual teachers and way showers and lightworkers), which i think is quite needed on this planet.
ReplyDeleteDear Anonymous #3.
ReplyDeleteThanks for taking the time to comment on this piece. I feel that you response provides added insight into the teaching & influence of Korean Pastor, David Jang. You say, that (I quote) your "experience is that, he [David Jang] is def[initely] way ahead of many other spiritual teachers in regards to his teaching, especially within the christian faith. The depth of the teaching is incredible." Dear Anonymous #3, may I ask "how many other "spiritual teachers....within the Christian faith" are you familiar with? In order to conclude that Korean Pastor, David Jang is "way ahead of many other spiritual teachers" you must have taken the time to grasp the teachings of those "many other spiritual teachers." Have you done this? Or is this merely hearsay, repeating what others have told you?
Dear Anonymous #3 you also say that "The depth of the teaching [of Korean Pastor, David Jang] is incredible." May I ask, "by what standard are you measuring the "depth" of his teaching? THe standard against which Christians ought to measure the "depth" of any Bible teacher's teaching is the Bible (Scripture), not some subjective measure of "depth." The people of Berea were commended because they checked the Apostle Paul's preaching by "examining the Scriptures daily to see if these things [taught by Paul] were so" (Acts 17:11). That is a good example for us to follow.
A Bible teacher's message may seem to be "cutting edge" & go "way beyond" others, but the crucial question is--:Does it go beyond scripture?" Paul admonished the Corinthians "not to go beyond what is written" (1 Cor. 4:6). My question is-- does Korean Pastor, David Jang's teaching go beyond what is written in Scripture?" The fact that some of his followers concluded that he is the "second coming Christ" &/or the "next Christ" suggests that his teaching goes beyond scripture...into heresy.
Lastly, dear Anonymous #3, you state that (I quote) "if some people decide that he [Korean Pastor, David Jang] is their personal saviour or Christ well than that is their personal choice." This statement of yours reveals a lot. Dear Anonymous #3 it ought not to be a matter of indifference to you (or other Christians) if someone is led to conclude that "Korean Pastor, David Jang is their personal saviour or Christ." That is the crux of the issue. All Bible teachers ought to lead people to follow Jesus Christ (alone) as their Lord & Saviour. Any other "saviour," whether Korean Pastor, David Jang or someone else, is a false saviour or a false Christ. The Apostle Paul warned the believers in Ephesus that "from among your own selves will arise men speaking twisted things, to draw away the disciples after themselves." (Acts 20:30) My question is--" has Korean Pastor, David Jang been leading people to follow Christ, alone? Or has Korean Pastor, David Jang been drawing away disciples after himself?" Dear Anonymous #3 (if as you say) some followers of David Jang "conclude that he is their personal saviour or Christ" (as you state) that suggests that Korean Pastor, David Jang has indeed been "drawing disciples after himself" (and not after Christ alone). That is a serious matter!
I hope you would give these matters serious & prayerful consideration -- Nigel Tomes.
Hello again :) thanks for your reply. U know Nigel, u r right. I personally was never a fan of organized religion, and come from more of a spiritual backround rather than religious. Just to answer some of your questions, yes i have studied other teachings, within and outside of christianity. I have spent time in monasteries, christian and buddhist and studied different texts of several spiritual teachers mainstream, and some not so much main stream. So my opinion that the teachings i came across in this particular organisation i found deeper than an averidge church teachings in this day and age comes from my own experience ( heresay is not my way of channeling information, i only use my own experience).
ReplyDeleteAnd yet again i d like to reinforce that this is only my opinion and i am not imposing it onto anyone. I believe LIFE is a very individual experience and no one can speak for another. Our experience of love, truth, faith even is subjective. No one is right and no one is wrong. Everything is what it is, however how we perceive things is another matter. We label things right or wrong depending on our backround be it cultural, religious,values that has been imposed on us since we were born. But there comes a time in our life when we stop for a second, look around, take a deep breath, and our eyes open and for the first time we see life for what it is. It becomes lighter, we become lighter, more loving, more forgiving, less judgemental, less tense and eager to be right at all cost. Im just trying to give a perception as to where am i coming from. Im sure u have gathered that im not a christian that follows dogmas or rules, as much as i am christian i am a budhist and a kabbalist and a taoist.
So me using words such like personal saviour doesnt mean what it means to u. I hope u understand. My vocabulary is not that of a devoted christian, as that i am not.
Is pastor David a heretic? I do not know. I do not understand christian dogmas, to be honest i do not even comprehend what the word Heresy means. To me we all have the freedom to understand things to the best we can, be the best of ourselves. Who can do more than that?
Was i ever told he is the second coming? No
Did some people believe this to be true? Well obviously, there seems to be lots about this matter on the internet, a lot of ex members coming out and talking about it.
So there must be some truth in it, the question i would ask is why do they think he was the second coming? Did he tell them? Or did another member tell them? Or did they simple choose to believe this?
And if u really wanna go into it, u will have to go and join their bible studies, and see for yourself, which i think is the perfect way to find out what exactly is going on.
If u have any other questions please feel free to ask :)
Love and Light and good luck with finding out the "truth"